Talk:Tsundora Tsundora no Mi/@comment-24070327-20140712061319/@comment-24094348-20140712070712

Ok my first objective is to break apart your argument. First off Permafrost is not made up of the shells of Dead Sea creatures. It does not have limestone in it at all, none whatsoever. Yes it is true that Permafrost is a form of earth and it is true that on many occasions it does have ice in it, but Permafrost is not just simply dirt with ice in it. It is a more complicated compound like mud from a swamp. Also it should be noted that on the same Wikipedia page that you mention it also stated that ground water is not always present for Permafrost to form. Permafrost is frozen dirt. When Permafrost thaws out it is still a solid. It does not melt into mud. That also would bring up the question whether or not a element could be a logia just because it is in a different state. In order to answer that I will bring up the magma devil fruit. Magma is earth, but it is in the molten state. Oda also has a sand logia. The sand logia is technically earth.

My next point, just because there is some ice in it does not mean it is a combination of the Ice logia and another one. There is a snow logia and that by all technicalities is ice. However Oda has decided that snow and ice are different things. You could argue about the structure difference between snow and ice and how snow is a crystal, but when it comes down too it snow is the same thing. The only true difference between them is that the snow logia is of lighter density than the ice and thus can fly. I view it as being similar to the sand and magma thing, though magma does have different properties which mainly focus on the heat.

   Third Point, Permafrost is different from other Logia by its composition. Permafrost is far harder than normal dirt or sand. It has different consistency and has been noted to contain high amounts of carbon and carbon dioxide. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permafrost_carbon_cycle     You ask for a unique property for Permafrost. Well Permafrost has the capability to crystalize and has a different tempters and density than normal soil.